Why Immunity?

I am not going to express shock, moral outrage, or self righteous indignation over the Senate’s voting not to deny retroactive immunity to the telecommunications carriers which helped the Bush Administration to spy on American citizens. I will, however, ask for someone to give me a cogent, morally defensible explanation why are elected officials are so quick to give away our most basic civil liberties.

Nonetheless, all of the arguments to justify this amendment are horse crap, to put it mildly. Let me debunk them.

First, the Bush Administration’s warrantless spying program violates the FISA Law and the US Constitution. Full Stop.

Second, this program does not “make us safer.” If it did, why did the Administration approach the telecoms companies in February 2001 to institute this program? Surely, that would have given the Administration the necessary information to thwart the attacks of September 11. If, six and a half years after September 11, law enforcement has not identified the likely terrorist suspects, it calls into question their competency. Can all of be terrorist suspects?! Moreover, if you cannot pursue these terrorist threats while upholding the law, you are not competent enough to be trusted with the security of the United States. The hurdles to obtaining a FISA warrant are quite slight (including the ability to apply for the warrant after the wire tap has begun), and I am given to understand that only a handful of these requests have ever been denied. You embolden the terrorists when you argue that we should throw away the foundations of the rule of law because they might attack us.

If the teleco’s are helping to violate the law, it follows that they should face legal liability. Yet it is argued that these suits are frivolous and will bankrupt the telecom carriers. If they are bankrupted, it is because they broke the law. At any rate, I am not afraid of the US telecom network disappearing. Someone will be able to pick up those assets discharged in bankruptcy and make a tidy profit. As for junk law suits, well, attorneys who bring them are subject to censure and disbarment. What other protections do we need?

Finally, the telecom companies were not behaving patriotically. American patriots demand, “give me liberty or give me death.” They were motivated by profits from charging the government for wiretaps. Indeed, it was recently reported that Comcast stop providing the government with wire taps when it did not pay. That is not patriotic. Do you know who is patriotic? Joe Nacchio. As CEO, Nacchio projected profits for QWEST based on government contracts. When he determined the warrantless spying program was illegal and refused to provide wire taps, the government canceled its contracts. This had the obvious result of lowering profits and stock price. Nacchio was convicted of stock fraud for making these statements and sentenced to six years in federal prison, ordered to pay a $19 million fine and forfeit $52 million he gained in stock sales.

Insight: Can someone kindly provide a rational explanation for this law to me?

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  • http://www.discourse.net Michael Froomkin

    I’m afraid you have your facts wrong. The bill doesn’t target lawyers fees — they are nowhere mentioned in it. It’s full retroactive immunity.

    Here’s a quote from the text:

    TITLE II–PROTECTIONS FOR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS

    SEC. 201. DEFINITIONS.

    [...]

    (3) COVERED CIVIL ACTION.–The term “covered civil action” means a civil action filed in a Federal or State court that–

    (A) alleges that an electronic communication service provider furnished assistance to an element of the intelligence community; and

    (B) seeks monetary or other relief from the electronic communication service provider related to the provision of such assistance.

    (4) ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDER.–The term “electronic communication service provider” means–

    (A) a telecommunications carrier, as that term is defined in section 3 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 153);

    (B) a provider of an electronic communication service, as that term is defined in section 2510 of title 18, United States Code;

    (C) a provider of a remote computing service, as that term is defined in section 2711 of title 18, United States Code;

    (D) any other communication service provider who has access to wire or electronic communications either as such communications are transmitted or as such communications are stored;

    (E) a parent, subsidiary, affiliate, successor, or assignee of an entity described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (D); or

    (F) an officer, employee, or agent of an entity described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (D), or (E).

    (5) ELEMENT OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.–The term “element of the intelligence community” means an element of the intelligence community specified in or designated under section 3(4) of the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 401a(4)).

    SEC. 202. LIMITATIONS ON CIVIL ACTIONS FOR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.

    (a) Limitations.–

    (1) IN GENERAL.–Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a covered civil action shall not lie or be maintained in a Federal or State court, and shall be promptly dismissed, if the Attorney General certifies to the court that–

    (A) the assistance alleged to have been provided by the electronic communication service provider was–

    (i) in connection with an intelligence activity involving communications that was–

    (I) authorized by the President during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on January 17, 2007; and

    (II) designed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack, or activities in preparation for a terrorist attack, against the United States; and

    (ii) described in a written request or directive from the Attorney General or the head of an element of the intelligence community (or the deputy of such person) to the electronic communication service provider indicating that the activity was–

    (I) authorized by the President; and

    (II) determined to be lawful; or

    (B) the electronic communication service provider did not provide the alleged assistance.

  • http://kennethrcarter.com admin

    I stand corrected… I had read about the attorneys fees on Dave Farber’s IP list. Based on the comment above, I have taken the following language out of my original post:

    (First one clarification, the bill stops short of providing immunity, but the amendment prevents public interest and class-action lawyers from pursuing legal fees. This, however, is only a minor distinction, as most lawyers are not willing to take on an action this big out of the kindness of their hearts (yes, I used the words ‘lawyer,’ ‘kindness,’ and ‘heart’ in the same sentence).)

  • http://kennethrcarter.com kennethrcarter

    I recieved this comment a while back from Robert C. Atkinson:

    I thought I’d reply off-line but feel free to post my response if you deem
    it useful.

    My first response is that FISA can be an unconstitutional impairment of the President’s war powers when the President is acting as Commander in Chief in
    a time of war. FISA is constitutional for Cold War-type counter-espionage but not when it comes to intercepting enemy communications on the
    battlefield. And the Continental US is the battlefield. Presidential War Powers have temporarily trumped all kinds of other constitutional
    protections in times of war. Abraham Lincoln famously suspended habeas corpus and declared the Emancipation Proclamation on the basis of his war
    powers. Roosevelt placed US citizens in concentration camps in WWII.

    Basically, when there is a “hot war”, the war powers MUST supersede conflicting constitutional protections. It all gets sorted out at the end
    of the war, when the war powers end. This war may go on for 50 years, so we may have to “get used to it” or amend the Constitution to limit war powers.
    But if you actually believe in the Constitution, then you have to acknowledge that it is a very flexible, adaptive document with internal
    inconsistencies that are resolved in the context of the times.

    In that regard, my understanding is that the intercepts were conducted by NSA, a military organization. That makes it a military operation and
    logically within the War Powers. I don’t have a problem with excluding any evidence derived from non-warranted intercepts from any judicial proceeding
    since the military purpose of the intercepts is to identify the enemy so that they can be killed or captured and interned for the duration of the
    conflict. The military in’t in the law enforcement business. I therefore would have a very different view if a civilian law-enforcement agency such
    as the FBI was doing the intercepts and the fruits of the intercepts were used in a judicial proceeding.

    Second, the Fourth Amendment doesn’t apply at “border crossings.” Never has. Customs officers do not require warrants or even probable cause to
    search your person or your baggage when you enter the United States. Physical “border searches” often happen many miles within the border of the
    United States, not just at the borderline. Going through customs in St. Louis is an example, although I understand that Border Patrol agents set up
    physical roadblocks miles from the Mexican border and conduct warrantless searches. As I understand it, the NSA intercepts occurred at the first
    physical point with the United States–the international telecom gateways– and that is analagous to csutoms searches at airports within the borders.

    Airport operators aren’t held liable for customs searches conducted on their premises. Why should telecom companies be held to a different standard?

    BTW, that might explain the different response from Qwest: they might not have any international gateways in Washington or Oregon since most
    international traffic goes through California gateways…check the cable maps. So, there is less chance that they would be handling international
    traffic and a different standard might therefore apply.

    Lastly, historically, the President has called on all citizens to come to the aid of their country in time of war. The telecom companies responded in
    good faith (as found by the Senate Select Intelligence Committee) to the President’s proper request for assistance. Shame on them if they hadn’t.

    Well, that’s all I’ve got time for, but I’d enjoy continuing the dialog.

    Bob

  • http://kennethrcarter.com kennethrcarter

    My first question which Article of the Constitution does FISA violate? It is certainly not the one which grants Congress the power to declare war. Seven years of war, without a declaration is not a temporary act. Further, given the Administration’s more than 900 false statements about the war, I have to (Just a footnote, Lincoln exercised explicit and limited power to suspend habeas corpus, this is a red herring). We are not talking about boarder crossing, we are talking about communications within the US. Excellent point on Quest. Haven’t heard anything on this either way.

    With evidence that every bit carried on the AT&T backbone is being delivered to some secret room in San Francisco, I have to conclude that the Government is spying on all of us and I will not just “suck it up”, as the President recently suggested. Thirty six years ago, the Administration abused its position to spy on the Democratic Party to subvert our democracy. Well, Messrs. Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and G. H. W. Bush, who got their start in the Nixon Administration, learned the lessons a non-response to such subversion of our democratic process. What are we teaching to their current underlings and tomorrow’s criminal leadership? If the Administration is unwilling to subject its actions to the review of a court of competent jurisdiction, have to wonder if this is Watergate without break-ins. I will come to the aid of my Country by standing up for our principals and against this affront to the rule of law.

    The only solace I take in any of this is the fact that of all the traffic delivered by AT&T to Room 641A at 611 Folsom Street, 95% is SPAM.